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melissa francis. lori: i am lori rothman. we will learn how hi our deficits could rise. melissa: we will hear from the president in just a couple minutes. we will bring you the remarks live. lori: immigration reform also on the top earner today. we will hear from business leaders on how reform should be done. lou dobbs weighs in. melissa: our very own charlie gasparino goes one-on-one with municipal analyst. that should be very interesting. lori: let's get things started with the latest addition of stocks now. the 20 you see volatility here. the fix is to the downside today on a day where we are gaining triple digits, unlike yesterday where we love triple digits. the majority of the dow components are in the green. we have economic numbers showing expanding numbers in the u.s. service. we will take a look at a longer term chart. back to you. lori: thank you, as always. melissa: breaking news. the budget office releasing the latest numbers. what we can expect our deficit to be. rich: $845 billion for this year. this is the first time in five years. let's take a look at the next ten y
for the next 10 years showing how the deficit affects the economy. rich reds and is in d.c. >> in the long term it slows us down the cbo forecast $845 billion budget deficit the first of less than $1 trillion annual deficits continue to shrink when they begin increasing deficits but in the next 10 years they will add almost $7 trillion to the national debt and 76 trillion by 20203. the national debt compared to the economy stabilizes and climbs much higher in the future. the director of the cbo says the primary culprit is health care spending. >> we still see substantial growth of health care spending over the 10 years and beyond. because of the number of people who will be eligible for medicare will be rising sharply. gerri: they expect gdp to rise this year and next year an average of 3.6% after that and then slowing. cbo expects unemployment average 8% this year and seven points six% next year that is the first time that has happened in 70 years. with the recent tax increases and spending cuts the cbo says it will cost 1.2 5% percentage points of gdp but with deficits reduce it boost growth
in the hole this year alone with our deficit, this is a great way to raise tax revenue. let me finish, it would charge an excise tax of 50% of the first sale. 50% of your first dollar would go right to the government. pay $1000 annually just for being tax producers, and they would require the irs to produce a study of industry after two years. once you get the irs involved, my friend, we are talking about a full one industry that will be taxed and it will never go away because the irs is going to want to get money from it. what do you think about a federal tax on marijuana? >> at this point it is premature because only two states down the road could be a good idea, but it is mostly about the states. federal tax on marijuana. i'm talking about blumenauer. is that whe the one you like? >> yes. let's allow the state to legally regulate that stuff. let the states tax them. >> or heard about it for lottery, gambling, tobacco, alcohol, we spend more on the social cost of the problems. gerri: what do you mean? let's have an answer. >> talk about the lost productivity, department of justice r
the deficit through immigration reform. how did it work? president obama held meetings today with top ceos and labor leaders. we have all the latest details. >>> plus the justice department body slammed standard & poor's alleging it defrauded investors over mortgage securities rating. is s&p cooked? john eagan, ceo of eagan jones rating company joins us exclusively to react. >>> the entire electronic industry could be turned upside down. foxconn workers in china will get the first free union vote. these guys produced 40% of the world's electronics. will this push up the price of your smartphone? you might want to embrace for impact. even when they say it's not it is always about money melissa: first let's take a look at today's market moments. stocks recovered after the worst day of the year. solid u.s. and european economic data helped put the bulls back on the track. the dow briefly climbed back above the 14,000 mark and pared session highs closing up 99 points. nasdaq and s&p 500 each gained more than 1%. >>> starting off tonight with president obama's big plan. using immigration reform
the problem like we did with the tax, but yet the budget deficit will not go away under any form of the decade. it's got cuts and arbitrary and some things cutting, irs agents, yeah, going to save salary that year, but going to do less audits and more treasures to the salary. this doesn't save necessarily anything for the government if it's arbitrary cuts. you've got to be careful about the larger cuts that don't hurt revenue earnings potential of the u.s. treasury. >> john lay field. automatic cuts may not be the best way of cutting spending, but they cut spending, is that good? >> yeah, but it's nothing. brenda, we've got to look at this. what jonas is talking about is spot on. these guys ran on tax increases and what they did was extend the bush tax cuts, they ran on spending cuts and having to-- over the next decade, we're running trillion dollar deficits, by the cbo and president obama's budget in ten years from now talking about cutting 1 trillion out of that 48 trillion dollars. this is absolutely nothing. it doesn't even move the meter. >> brenda: well, steven, in the short-term this g
the deficit will grow the economy. they quantified that, it will really happen. look a chart showing three different scenarios that could happen. if we add to the deficit we'll see a bump in gross national product in the short-term but the economy could take a major hit in the long run. if we cut the deficit we see a major bump 10 years, down the road. look at that even though the economy will take a hit in the short term. when it comes to the deficit, shouldn't we focus on the long game here i'm wondering? here with more is former director of the congressional budget office, douglas holtz-eakin. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. melissa: i was so excited the cbo finally went out and quantified this and tried to illustrate it to people. anytime you try to make the case we should cut spending short term to help our children down the road or ourselves depending how long you are, people poo-poo that is not like real math s that real math we saw on the bar charts? >> that is real math and the second example of that real math is what the cbo put out which says, suppose you do nothing
. >> it is almost a false argument to say we have a spending problem. we have a budget deficit problem that we have to address. right now we have low interest on the national debt and it is a good time for us to act to lower that deficit. we think they must be reduced. we are sick and tired of paying interest on the national debt. that is a large percentage of the budget. it is lower now because of the lower interest rate. dagen: i do not speak pelosi. let me see if i can translate what she was saying. she does not believe there was a spending problem. the budget deficit and budget cap should be fixed -- >> i think she is talking out of her -- i do not think there should be any tax increases. i think it is time for the fiscal deficit to call it off and a clear victory. there are signs we have gone too far too quickly. left or right, i am very happy to hold off on these tax increases which i think will appeal to a lot of people. i am in equal opportunity growth guide. both sides of the aisle. i do not think we spend too much money. it is a symptom of a problem. dagen: you are arguing that we should
was $3.48. the federal budget deficit expected to show short-term improvement this your according to the congressional budget office, declining to $845 billion from 1 trillion. the annual deficit expected to go as low as 430 billion by 2015 before soaring to almost a trillion dollars by 20203. joining us now to assess all of this is former director of the congressional budget office and president of the american action forum. let me start with, the president today insisting that he have, well, new revenue. just so that the congress would have the privilege of somehow saving him from himself and pushing back the impact of this sequester that his white house offered. does it get any more curious than that? >> it just proves we are in a budget another world. the numbers today are living short of terrific. $7 trillion in deficits over the next ten years. is coming after we raise 600 billion in taxes. what does the president say? well, let's not do the spending cuts, which we are counting on to keep it down to 7 trillion. instead to raise taxes, which we already proven does not solve t
administration is already more than half wait toward its goal of deficit reduction with the president calling for more tax hikes to finish the job. it. >> over last few years democrats and republicans have come together and cut our deficit by more than two and a half trillion dollars to a balanced mix of spending cuts and higher tax rates for the wealthiest americans. that's more than halfway toward the $4 trillion in deficit reduction that economists and elected officials from both parties say we need to stabilize our debt. i believe we can finish the job to see where we started it, with a balanced mix of more spending cuts and more tax reform. lou: the obama -- obama propaganda machine insists jobs have never fallen below priority number one despite the president's preoccupation with gun control, comprehensive immigration reform. ed henry has our report. >> well president obama only use the word jobs twice in his inaugural address, his team is now building tuesday's big speech as it continues a major push on the economy. >> you will hear the president's state of the union l1 from him for hi
want to call them. we still have a deficit over $1 trillion, they said they would run on this like fdr, and andrew jackson, what times are bad, run against rich and bankers, if i was the republicans i would go on the offense say, last we're we brought in 1.2 trillion in income taxes, we still have deficits we could double income tax rates on every american and still run a deficit we have to do something with spending. >> i agree, but the question is how do you go on the defense? you don't go on offensive by immediately saying no, president has successfully painted them in a corner, no-sayres, that is all they say, you say yes, we' reform in september 2011, you came out with a report of your own how to revamp our text system, called plan for economic growth and deficit reduction, if that -- in that report, principles for tax reform, number one issue is lower tax rates, this is president talking not republicans, the tax system should be simp flied and work for all americans and fewer bracket, so say, yes, we're with you mr. president, not simpson-bowles but your own words, we want tax si
's transparent and that we're reducing our deficit in a way that doesn't hamper growth. >> reporter: the response from house speaker john boehner's office? the president got his revenue, now it's finally time to make the reforms necessary to save our entitlement programs. any tax loopholes we close should be used to lower rates for all taxpayers so we can be more competitive and create or more jobs. automatic spending cuts hit the federal budget march 1st. less than four weeks later, a large portion of federal spending authority expires. if democrats and republicans fail to resolve these tax and spending differences, the government is headed for those across the board spending cuts and a government shutdown. back to you. connell: rich, thank you very much. rich edson in d.c. dagen: let's bring in david stockman, former economic adviser to president ronald reagan. there's no urgency though. if we don't do something about our annual budget deficits and our longer term debt that we're accumulating, is it just going to be kind of a slow drip like where we bleed to death as a nation, where we don't re
the deficit and avoid spending cuts. we're learning the budget deficit will top $845 billion this fiscal year even with massive tax hikes and assuming the spending cuts do kick in. congressman tom price pushing the president to balance the budget and says this new report is proof we can't do that by hiking taxes. what about that? we're still going to be deep into the red. >> good to be with you. the president has put forward for different budgets, none of which have ever come to balance. the house republicans have acted responsibly, our budget is yet to balance, so what we will do is put together a budget that balances in a ten-year time. all it does tomorrow it says to the president tell us when you'ryourbudget balances. it is important to do that because we have our principled solutions with the program. liz: used a dozen state when the budget would be balanced, is that it? >> we have had to end dollars deficit of the past four years in the past for budgets by this president have never come into balance ever in the 75 year time frame we talk about budgets. the american people need to know t
. >> we got that cbo report this past week, 7 trillion dollar in additional deficit and factor in what that 600 billion dollars in tax hikes that the democrats did already push through and how does that balance things? but the point about baltimore is interesting because that's where this nation could possibly be headed. you continue to raise taxes and you don't cut spending and you wind up on the brink of bankruptcy, exactly where that city is. >> you know, ben, you say we're all eventually going to have to pay higher taxes, but as the only item in your play book how to fix your economy it doesn't seem like it's ever going to work. >> i keep thinking if taxes are so terrible, why don't we just have no taxes at all. why don't we pay for-- >> 100% taxes. >> why don't we have no taxes at all and why don't you not interrupt me for once? >> i can't help it. >> why don't we have no taxes at all and why don't we have some some balance in the budget. and for gosh sakes, we're grownup disciplined people and we're supposed to balance the budget not supposed to be like small children. >> okay, c
first, expecting a budget deficit this year of $845 billion. the first year under a trillion dollars in five years. then the budget deficit gets smaller. these are annual numbers, $616 billion all the way down to 476 billion in 2016 and continuing to rides from there under the weight of the increased interest payments, health care costs. more folks going into entitlement programs for a total of 6.9 trillion added to the national debt over the next ten years. get to the economic projections here. cbo expecting real gdp growth, fourth quarter to fourth quarter, 3.4% next year, averaging 3.6%. the unemployment rate expected to be 8% this year. 7.6% next year. the sixth consecutive year at 7.5% unemployment. that's the longest run in 70 years. getting back to the entitlement programs, the cbo director says health care costs eventuallily swamp the federal budget. >> it's possible to keep the policies for the large benefit programs unchanged, but only by raising taxes substantially for a broad segment of the population. >> he says on the flip side, the ben fits are the same, but raise taxe
? the deficit. this year it will be below a trillion dollars, that's what the pundits focused on and ignored the grim reality. in fact, our debt is headed toward the worst levels in post war america. worst, the economy will show a masly 1.4% growth. unemployment rise to 8%, stay at very high levels for years, and 7 million people will lose their health care coverage under obamacare. that came within hours of president obama's call for more tax increases on the rich and put off spending cuts. tax and spend, it lives on and so does our massive debt. reality check, "varney & company" is about to begin. [ shapiro ] at legalzoom, you can take care of virtually all your imptant legal matters in just minutes. protect youramily... and launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. >> first up this wednesday morning, gas prices, yes, they are still on the rise. national average for regular up more than a penny, now at 3.54. just in the past month the price of gas spiked about 25 cents a gallon. the underlying price of oil right now we're down, $95 per barrel. while gas prices are
because really we have cut two and a half trillion from the deficit. only 600 billion. about 25-30 percent of that has been from revenues. so the overwhelming amount of protection we have gotten, including the budget control act that happened in 2011 came from spending cuts. what we have so far is balanced spending cuts and revenue, but far more spending cuts. i think what we need to do going forward is the type of balance that the president had when he put forward his offer. melissa: counting savings from the series of continuing resolutions, frozen budgets they were already baked in a matter who was the president. those would be an oral recounted. >> whoever is saying that -- that is no an accurate view of the budget. thisthe budget control act. 174 republicans voted. the speaker said it cut 98 percent of what he wanted. and it included very deep cuts in discretionary spending that put us on the path to have the lowest discretionary spending since the eisenhower administration. that is well over a trillion dollars in spending cuts. there were two or 300 billion of additional spending cut
office says, forecasting a $845 billion budget deficit this year alone. though the first of less than a trillion dollars in five years. annual deficits continue to shrink until 2017 when interest and health care costs begin increasing deficits again. in the next 10 years, cbo says the u.s. will add almost $7 trillion to the national debt. the problem mostly? entitlements? the fix? painful. >> it is possible to keep tax revenues at that time their historical average percentage of gdp but only making substantial cuts relative to current policies in the large benefit programs that aid a broad group of people. >> now on the other side elmendorf says you can keep benefits the same but you've got to raise taxes substantially. let's go to the economic forecast here. cbo expects unemployment to average 8% this year and 7.6% next year, marking six straight years above 7.5%. that is the first time that happened in 70 years. as for growth, cbo expect as sluggish economy this year and growth to pick up next year. back to you. david: rich, all of these forecasts are subject to change. i haven't se
and it's too expensive. >> eric: the way this works the post office when it runs a deficit like the last three years in a row they go to the u.s. treasury department. they post a letter of credit and treasury hands them money. what happens if the post office defaults. who is on the hook for that money? >> the taxpayer is on the hook for all of it. this is not -- this notion, they have endorsed privatizing it. and to provide universal service g-mail provides universal service for free. post office does it to the tune of billions of dollars that taxpayers stand behind. >> eric: great discussion. how is a college degree for only ten grand sound? a number of states are making that happen. is this the best idea to save money or will it end up costing taxpayers even more money. this woman, caught on camera, shocking new video, entitlement fraud, wee do we need to cut all entitlement programs? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪t 4:00 with gregg jarrett. >> eric: bargain bachelor's degree. the cost of college a whole lot cheaper. try ten grand for a four-year degree. which states are doing that. first, wayne, you
and then some with deficit reduction that we should at the very least take action for temporary buydown just as we did at the end of the year of the sequester to prevent the terrible impact of the sequester. lou: a panel trying to diagram the sequester. he points out the house has already passed two separate bills to replace the sequester but both of those bills are allowed to die and demographically controlled senate. he has had it with the obama way of doing business that he is content to allow the white house bipartisan sequester to take affect on march 1. >> let me make clear i don't like the sequester, i think it is taking acts of more government. >> would you delay the impose a sequester? >> that is right, i will. lou: meanwhile also headed with the obama way infuriated with the white house gag order on top level officials muscling those officials preventing them from talking with her committee on unscheduled spending cuts. maryland democrat and chairman of the appropriations committee said high-level cabinet members have been instructed not to talk unless their words are cleared by th
a trillion dollar deficit. dagen: don't you think that the democrats will continue to fall back on raising taxes even more than they already have? it is nothing compared to the $7 trillion in additional debt. >> this is not a solution to our problems. i think they have used this to great political advantage. that is indisputable. that is not a solution as to where the budget has to go. what will the senate democrats put in their budget? what will it look like? they will not be able to raise taxes and solve the problem. the taxes will not work. they do not want to reform entitlements. dagen: there is a growing chorus among many people in this country that our debt is not that much of a problem because we have had these low, low, almost record low interest rates at this point. ultimately, if the fed decides we are worried about inflation and begins to withdraw some of this money out of the system, will that be the day of reckoning? >> that will be a very bad day if it happens. you are hearing democrats say we have made a lot of progress, we just need to do a little bit more. connell: do you
in washington. lori: you look at our ballooning national debt in the battle over the current deficit. what is the best outcome? >> that would be for the federal government to reduce spending. that is just all there is to it. lori: where exactly? i have to interrupt you, we are not getting enough detail as to where those tough cuts should come. >> i think they should come from everything. we definitely have to have some entitlement reform. you are seeing an explosion in expenditures in all areas of government. it will have to be trimmed back. one of the things we will be doing is finding those areas in our respective jurisdictions. lori: how do you think about the meat cleaver, if you will, regarding the cuts? >> well, it will happen unless the president wants to come to talk to us about meaningful cuts. the house has passed two bills now. this president is basically says no and does not want to talk to us. he needs to come talk to us. otherwise, it will happen and it will be very tough on a lot of different areas. lori: one silver lining in this national small business association, or econ
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: the dow hitting 14,000 with nicole on the air. this is a snapshot of just how bad our deficits are going to be over the next ten years. dagen: rich edson is live in washington, d.c. rich: $1.1 trillion, that was our deficit for 2012. this is the most recent projections by the office. this year, a budget deficit -- the decade production was $2.26 trillion. these numbers will be much different. much worse. it must examine the budget as if congress does absolutely nothing. and current policy continues. we have had some changes. mainly that built that passed congress earlier in the year. millions of middle-class americans do not have to pay the amt. it also changed the estate tax bumping down the rate of little bit lower than what it had been over the exception of little bit higher. the numbers we just show you, the real numbers will be much worse. we will find out at 1:00 o'clock. back to you. dagen: are we going to be in a statement from the white house at 1:15 p.m.? rich: he will talk about the sequester. he will push for congress to pass a smaller package of spending cuts and tax reform
, the next ten years, and harry reid told us it would not add to the deficit. the president even tried to call our fears about the increased cost saying that, you know, really the spending will be under control. we will cut our cost. what happened? >> well, it did not pan out that way which is one of the things that happens when we pass a really big deal, a couple of thousand pages long without giving people adequate opportunity to review it and figure out what the implications will be. so we are adding over a trillion to the debt of the next ten years. he will also be adding, according to this report, 12 million new beneficiaries to medicaid. this is a problem. gerri: right. it is astonishing, and remember when nancy pelosi said we will know what is in the bill when we read it. now we are finally finding of commands that me tell you, it is frightening. one of the things of the cbo found call entitlement spending, obamacare, medicare, medicaid, all of this together to met will exceed spending for everything else, even defense, social security, health care is going to be everything. is
a budget deficit problem we have to address. gerri: what is he thinking? >> she likes the level of high spending, she doesn't think that additional trillion in spending is a problem. the problem in her view is that peasants are not sends enough money into washington d.c., she does not think it is a problem, those of us who pay taxes think it is. gerri: she also talked about closing loopholes in particular oil companies, this dream that has emerged that somehow oil companies will fund this country going forward. >> they are talking about getting rid of expensing like all other companies targeting a particular industry, not a special deal that oil companies have. the other challenge is, even if you get rid of real existing deducts and credits, that perhaps should be there or should not. if you get rid of those and them, and spend the money, then you never get to do tax reform. we need is the deducts and credits to be scaled back while rates come down urge revenue neutral tax reform. gerri: well, when is that going to happen? >> a different president, and different senate. gerri: that will
this about reducing the deficit. >> there is no dow that we need additional revenue coupled with smart spending reductions in order to bring down our deficit. we can do it in a gradual way so it does not have a huge impact. the average person cannot take advantage of them. they do not have access to cayman islands account. the average person does not have access to carried interest income. melissa: i do not know, how do you interpret that. that sounds like the tax man is coming. lori: we have been talking about eliminating loopholes and tax deductions for a while. melissa: we have not done it. lori: right. but it is not a new proposal to the people. melissa: he tries to hide behind the wealthy people. it is coming for everybody. anyway, fighting back. we will introduce you to a man training the troops fighting the cyber war. lori: what happened last night. the super bowl in the dark for 33 minutes. we will shed some light on the situation. ♪ i'm a conservative investor. but that doesn't mean i don't want to make money. i love making money. i try to be smart with my investments. i als
economy we have will be beneficial because people are worried about the deficit, worried about the death that comes from the growing deficit so taking a stab at that for the first time in a long time will be beneficial to the economy. connell: are we making progress yet or is there much, much more to do? it is not just economists on the left making this argument, listen, to an half trillion being cut, we are getting there. smell is not the time to get all ciccone in. what do you say of those people? >> in 2007 we were spending 19.7% of gdp in the federal government. it is now around 23 or so. we want to get it back to where it was, so it is not austerity, it is not ciccone and, it is going back to a sensible level of spending. dagen: is a real problem the federal reserve, zero interest rate policy, buying treasury debt and mortgage securities, said the reason congress gets to get away with what it has been doing? >> it makes a little bit easier with the low rates and zero rates, so it is counterproductive but i think the main thing is people have to understand we had a spending explosion
. he attacked the deficit, he attacked the spending problems in this country, taxes in this country and he hit on every sensitive issue, possible, it was easy to understand. stuart: let's see if our people can put that in its entirety. whole 25 minute lecture on our facebook page or somewhere accessible for everybody, we'll try and do that for you. as if it wasn't bad enough to california. it's running out of doctors and it's because of obamacare. my take on that coming up next. stuart: good morning everyone. california wants to change the rules on just who can diagnose and prescribe medication when you're sick. give more power to nurses, medical assistants and pharmacists, open up what used to be the job of doctors only. 350 similar rule changes have been proposed around the country in the last two years. that's a real switch in the medical business. diabetes, high blood pressure, diagnosed and treated by people who do not have the same level of medical training as doctors? what's going on? obama care. in california it will shift millions on to state-provided healthcare. but they d
to be weathering the country's fiscal uncertainty, but it is doing so nervously. >> we have massive deficits, a big tax increase that no apparent willingness to get government off people's backs by reducing government spending, and all of that is a heavy, heavy weight on the private sector. firms around the nation are sitting on cash instead of creating jobs. >> reporter: on wednesday the commerce department announced economic growth actually fell to a-10% the last three months of last year, the chairman of the president's council of economic advisers says other indicators remain positive. >> consumer spending increased. business investment. residential construction. >> reporter: the jobs report showed a larger number of people dropped out of the labour force th down jobs. a former administration economist says some of that is to be expected. >> the population is aging, so we expect to have a fair number of people retiring every month for the next ten years or more as the baby boomers retire. >> reporter: the conference board reports a sharp increase in the number of older workers considering delay
absorb these cuts. jr. jer that's going to be our deficit this year. are you happy about that? we're under a trillion. whoo hoo, throw a party, right? >> and the sequester's supposed to cut that by a grand total of about 10%. but fema's a perfect example of what i'm talking about. does anybody not really believe that fema couldn't increase its efficiency by 5%? my goodness, that's nothing given the kind of waste, fraud and abuse that you've shown on this show. look, they could easily do that. gerri: well, that would be a starting point. that's not the whole way to go, that's for sure. there's more to be done. >> but let's go back to my original idea. why can't we get back to the old-fashioned idea of people getting relief from their local governments and state governments and churches and people in their area? i was in houston not long ago, and people were say, you know, we had a terrible storm in houston. very few people got federal relief, and the homes that were damaged and the stores that were damaged were very rapidly rebuilt with almost no federal money. when did we get this
. >> now, huge deficit in the state of california, and tax hike trying to fix it. we're learn that state is no longer makinga algebra a requirement for eighth graders, bad timing, they already have a hard time boein doing math. >> don't you love hypocrisy, politicians that california condition apply simple math, and now trying to dumb down the math system, if i was a smart family or business in california, i would take up rick perry's offer and move to texas with lower taxes and a better school system. >> adam, what do you make of this? >> it is this topic has nothingo with taxes. educators in southern california have a problem. students are not doing well in theira algebra classes they are following national standards that suggestion it might be better for students to wait, i think this is horrible. i would rather that everyone student in california hav algebra in eighth grade, that is the goal, the answer is get them prepared better, that is not just a tax issue, you could make it a tax issue. >so.liz: you are so humorless t. it flew over your head. >> i thought it was funny, teachers
- trillion dollar deficit, if it is not we're going down the drain, that is nonsense, we cannot keep borrowing from future generations, and passing out money, and so we could have a little more gdp a quarter of a time, we have to face up to this, we did in 1980s, the system today is incapable, i blame the fed and greenspan for creating thar ofa wall street coddling. once they said they could not allow the stock market to drop more than 5%, and prop up the big wall street houses -- . charles: david, you criticized romney a lot during the election, talking about crony capitalism but the same token have you been a critic of paul ryan as well. so who has a solution? if mitt romney did not represent capitalism, this defore may be of capitalism in your book, what is that about? >> it is getting back to first principles and remembering what we used to think in the 19 70s, and 60s, and the 1920s, today it is such a lincoln day dinner rhetoric. romney was unwilling to cut defense, he said nothing about social security. it has to be means tested, he danced around medicare that is a monster tha
down the deficit as you promised as president promises in his first term this run away spending that idea that you just soak the rich there ain't enough rich to soak, let's show a little bit of the report and reduce the cost of size of government. charles: politicallia, i am familiar with your thoughts and words in the past there is a large segment of democratic parties or voters who are not looking at this from a phys call point ofiscalpoint of view, buta justice for the ranges of wester year -- wrongs of yesteryear. >> i don't know what you mean. charles: redistribution of wealth, excessive taxation, deon de-- demonizing businesses. >> this is the evolution of a country, every 4 years we get a chance to choose a different president, and this time we decided not to. you know, i really don't think that there is -- lou: that is not an economy argument. >> i really, -- that was not his question. charles: so, guy -- >> it was about politics, to respond, i think that dc is too barpartisan, i am not in dc thee is a reason that i lift dc . charles: i want to go to you last, guy, where
afford to raise rates a lot, not with $16 there in deficit and the economy slightly diminishing, and, you know, this unemployment number, they can't afford to raise the rates. gerri: well, i hear you. i don't know if they are listening. rates slowly ticking higher here. will that do anything to the housing rebound. do you worry people will step back and not buy? >> no, not yet. when you look at it realistically, buy a $275,000 house with 5% down, your monthly payment is still less than in 1987 buying $175,000 house with 5% down. we're still in a better era today for housing than we have been in a long time, and rates are at 3.5%. i mean, that is still exponentially low. people need to understand where we were, where we are, and just move. if you want to refinance, it's time now. gerri: we're showing a graph, a chart of 30-year mortgage fixed rates from all the way back to 2008-2009, and it is the steep slope south to 20 # -- 2013. it's about comical people are worried about rates popping up because most people have never seen this in their lifetimes; right? how often in your career have y
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